Episode #14 Healing Hands – Manipulation Methods 

Summary

In this episode of the Peak Performance Podcast, Coach Kyle and Dr. K discuss manipulation therapy and its various forms, including craniosacral therapy, reiki, and osteopathic manipulation. They explain that the goal of manipulation therapy is to restore normal anatomical function by using different techniques to put the body back into proper form and function. They discuss the concept of the Z formation and compensation patterns, where the body makes adjustments to keep the eyes level. The hosts also explore the different approaches to manipulation therapy, including hands-on and hands-off techniques. They touch on the emotional healing aspect of these therapies and the importance of finding a good practitioner.

Takeaways

  • Manipulation therapy aims to restore normal anatomical function through various techniques.
  • The Z formation and compensation patterns play a role in maintaining balance and function in the body.
  • Different approaches to manipulation therapy include hands-on and hands-off techniques.
  • Emotional healing and releases can be part of the treatment process.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

00:37 Explaining Manipulation Therapy

02:50 The Z Formation and Compensation Patterns

05:01 The Chiropractic Approach

07:47 Reiki Basics

09:24 Evolution of Manipulation Therapies

10:43 Craniosacral Therapy

13:47 Craniosacral Therapy for Vision

22:55 Hands-Off Manipulative Therapies

23:48 Emotional Healing and Release 

27:33 Conclusion

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Sources

https://www.massagetoday.com/articles/13807/The-Controversy-of-Cranial-Bone-Movement
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People

Peak Performance 

Dr. K 

Coach Kyle 

Transcript

 Kyle Hulbert (00:21)

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Peak Performance Podcast. I’m Coach Kyle.

Ben Kosubevsky (00:25)

And I’m Dr. K and join us today as we talk about manipulation therapy and its many names, forms, structures, meanings, techniques, healing, you name it, we’re gonna get into it.

Kyle Hulbert (00:37)

Manipulation therapy? I mean, what, I don’t even know you’re talking about, Dr. K. Can you explain just a bit more about what this might encompass?

Ben Kosubevsky (00:46)

Yeah, so the main focus we’re going to talk about is things like craniosacral therapy, reiki, osteopathic manipulation, some chiropractic techniques, some myofascial release, and then a few, there’s many names for this stuff. I just listed the most common ones that people have most likely heard of.

Kyle Hulbert (01:06)

Very nice, very nice. So do you want to dive in or should I comment on my lack of a fire detector up here in my cord hanging out in my ceiling?

Ben Kosubevsky (01:15)

Okay, no one wants to hear about that, so let’s just keep rolling. Sorry.

Kyle Hulbert (01:18)

It was beeping in the middle of the night folks. So sorry, deal with me. So what therapy would you want to start with and why should you do that therapy?

Ben Kosubevsky (01:27)

So it’s honestly hard to explain. The way I kind of explain this to people is all the people that are doing these techniques, I kind of explain, we’re all looking at basically a ball. Imagine a ball and we’re just looking at, we’re all looking at from different sides of this ball, but everyone has the same idea and focus. And the idea and focus is to restore normal anatomical function through the use of manipulative technique. And whether that’s.

Kyle Hulbert (01:54)

Okay.

Ben Kosubevsky (01:55)

aggressive techniques like you go to the chiropractor and they crack your neck or very gentle and even hands -off therapy like Reiki or something in between like osteopathic manipulation. The idea is the same, get everything straight so that the body can continue the function.

Kyle Hulbert (02:12)

So basically it is different techniques of making the body move in certain ways that establishes it in proper form and function.

Ben Kosubevsky (02:21)

Yes. So, you know, I’m a DO. I’m trained in osteopathic manipulation. Most of that came not from my medical school. You know, in medical school, they teach just the overlying stuff. Most people, unfortunately, ignore it because they don’t care. And then, you know, I went out and I went and got other training along with training I had before med school that I’ll also talk about. But basically, the idea, this is, I think, the most common.

important concept that they teach in the osteopathic school is we’re in what’s called a Z formation in our body. It’s, you know, continuing Z. And the idea behind it is your body is basically a bag of meat controlled by a brain. And the brain needs your eyes to be straight so it can interpret incoming images. So your body would do anything and everything, including crippling you to make sure that your eyes stay level.

And so we live in a Z formation where you tilt a little bit to the left and a little bit to the right and a little bit to the left and a little bit to the right and that keeps your eyes straight. And then let’s say you’re spraying your ankle and now you’re suddenly limping. And so now instead of having a Z, you’re a little bit more lopsided. So what your body would do is throw out your back or your hip on the opposite side to create a new Z formation to once again make sure your eyes stay level. And let’s say your ankle sprain goes away a couple weeks.

but your hip stays out, now your body’s gonna throw out your shoulder or something to keep you in that Z. So the idea behind the manipulation techniques is to put your hip back in place, put your shoulder back in place, put your ankle back in place into what’s called normal anatomic position for you to put you back into that Z formation. Does that make sense?

Kyle Hulbert (04:09)

Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So basically it’s a double edged sword that the body is conducting here. It’s this whole, like we are saving our function so you can literally keep your eyes level and still be able to function at all. But in turn, we’re kind of trading that with compensations that cause chronic pain and chronic issues down the road.

So by manipulating the body, basically we can get rid of the chronic and make it more likely that the eyes and the central processing center stays level.

Ben Kosubevsky (04:30)

And so.

Yes, that’s the base idea behind treatment. Now a lot more goes into that. There’s people out there that they can manipulate nerves. There’s people that can manipulate organs. There’s emotional healing involved in this along with physical healing. So there’s a couple of different ways to approach this. The view that most chiropractors, for example, take, and this is what they’re taught.

Kyle Hulbert (04:41)

Okay.

Ben Kosubevsky (05:05)

is if you adjust the bones, the tendons, ligaments, and muscles will follow. Whereas other aspects, for example, some aspects of osteopathic manipulation or craniosacral therapy, they view it more as adjust the muscles, tendons, and ligaments, and the bones will follow. So, you know, in my opinion, I found that adjusting the muscles, tendons, ligaments leads to longer

Kyle Hulbert (05:25)

Got you. So what do you think is the right way to do it?

Ben Kosubevsky (05:35)

lasting results because I always explain to people like this. Imagine that this pen is a bone, right? And on each side of the bone is a string and every bone has a muscle on each side of it. That’s how we move, right? The bones themselves are basically inanimate. They can’t move. They can’t do much on their own. So if I twist this side, if I create a spasm of the muscle, it’s going to move this way. So if I take this pen and yank it back towards the middle, but this twist is still here, what’s going to happen to the pen?

Kyle Hulbert (06:05)

It’s gonna go back

Ben Kosubevsky (06:06)

Yeah, it’s going to shift right back here. But if I release the spasm, the pen will move by itself. And that’s the idea behind how I personally treat people is we release the issue and then let the things that are stuck because of the issue move on their own.

Kyle Hulbert (06:23)

So the chiropractic, I guess thought to this would be that if you move the bone back into place, that spasm, it’ll fix some of the issue, but hopefully the spasm will resolve because it’s not crimped, but sometimes it doesn’t and it pulls the bone back. Okay. So is this why a lot of chiropractors recommend like in their perfect world, they usually recommend you go get a massage right before you get an adjustment. Is that kind of why?

Ben Kosubevsky (06:51)

Yeah, yeah, if you can get the muscles to relax and all they do is shift the bones back in, muscles don’t have that reverse tension to pull the bone back out, then yeah, most likely the therapy will stick. The unfortunate part is, how many people do you know that have to see their chiropractor every single week for their back issues?

Kyle Hulbert (07:03)

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. A lot of people actually that I’m in that group. but I, I viewed my chiropractor more as a, as a pit crew, you know, like the goal was just to keep me in the gym, lifting a lot of weight, moving. Like it’s literally, I know I’m going to be back next week. So just keep me relatively in a good condition so I can get back at it. And then I use a lot of other therapies like stem cell treatment and massage and craniosacral and myofascial release to do a lot of that longer term work.

But the chiropractor is my pit crew, if you will.

Ben Kosubevsky (07:45)

Yeah, absolutely. And so then we go from chiropractor to what I think is almost the opposite end of the spectrum is Reiki. Most people have to some degree heard of Reiki. The idea behind Reiki is its energy healing. You know, our bodies, they are basically energy vibrations. you have to kind of open up your mind to that concept, but energy vibrations is the idea behind Reiki.

And it’s the idea that trauma creates disruptions in energy and vibration. So by releasing those trauma energies, you can release the whole body. And so Reiki can be done hands off, the way Reiki’s originally taught. It’s called Reiki. Is it Japanese or Chinese? I can never remember. Japanese. This has been around before books were written, before they had paper Reiki existed.

Kyle Hulbert (08:31)

Rooms, Jennings.

Wow. So I think that’s a good point to talk about because a lot of these things that were happening for health and wellness forever ago before we had well documentation of them are things that now are being documented by science to be very effective. So we usually should learn from our ancestors because they usually knew that what they were doing was beneficial.

Ben Kosubevsky (08:39)

So.

Yeah, they may not have known exactly how or why, but they knew it worked. Truthfully, that’s the most important thing is not necessarily why does it work, but that it does work.

Kyle Hulbert (09:15)

Okay, so you want to use energy movements or something like that to clear traumas. Can you break down a little bit about like how it’s actually done? What it looks like?

Ben Kosubevsky (09:24)

So it’s very gentle. Most of the time it is hands on. It’s very gentle hands on manipulation. You know, I do what’s called craniosacral therapy, which is it’s somewhere in the middle. Technically it’s osteopathic manipulation therapy, but it’s really craniosacral therapy. It’s gentle hands on manipulation. It’s ounces of pressure with basically gentle encouragement of things to move, release and go.

So it’s a little bit more of asking, not telling.

Kyle Hulbert (09:52)

Okay, so.

Yeah, when you say that, what comes to mind is lymphatic massage and that differs from this, right?

Ben Kosubevsky (10:00)

Yeah, The idea, it’s kind of like religion, really. One overarching idea and then raindrops coming off of it. And different, many different strains of that are coming. So, lymphatic drainage it’s just almost an idea off, it’s a strand off of it.

Kyle Hulbert (10:15)

Okay, so that’s basically a way of viewing one of these manipulative therapies with a specific target of moving lymph fluid. And just so the audience knows, if you don’t know what lymph fluid is, it’s this fluid that moves to your body that’s kind of like a bit of a detox system for your body, and it only moves through physical movement or something like lymphatic massage.

Ben Kosubevsky (10:24)

Yup.

Kyle Hulbert (10:38)

so you mentioned like Reiki and craniosacral and you mentioned craniosacral was more of asking, not telling and light gentle movements. Does that differ from like strict Reiki or?

Ben Kosubevsky (10:51)

Sort of, but not really the idea. So there’s many, the problem is as you ask more questions, the questions just broadened. So Reiki is focused on specifically energy, right? Whereas craniosacral therapy, sure there’s some energy aspects to emotional aspects. You know, I know a doctor out in Phoenix, his focus is nerve manipulation. He’s found that.

If he can treat the nerves, I mean, he can do crazy things. He can get wrinkles to disappear in people’s faces just by treating the nerves. You can see this wrinkle disappear before your very eyes.

Kyle Hulbert (11:25)

Wow. So I should go out there to see if he can kind of get rid of this, my trigeminal neuralgia once and for all, maybe.

Ben Kosubevsky (11:33)

I mean, when you first call him about that and you asked, is there anyone that can manipulate it? I was like, yeah, him. The problem, and know, people will ask me and I’ll ask him, it’s like, how many treatments does it take? And his answer is always, I don’t know. I have to see them. We have to do a treatment first and see how far we could get in one session. Because unfortunately, you know, we’re dealing with usually chronic issues. And so the body, it’s…

Kyle Hulbert (11:38)

That guy.

Ben Kosubevsky (11:59)

developed all these tight compensation patterns, you normally can’t treat someone in one session. And unfortunately, you know, we get people that come in, they’re expecting to be fixed in one session, it’s just not a realistic goal. If it took you months or years to get that way, you can’t expect someone to fix you in a day. Having said that, I don’t necessarily believe in maintenance treatment. I believe in we treat the issue until it’s gone.

Kyle Hulbert (12:16)

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Ben Kosubevsky (12:25)

And if you feel good, don’t call me, stay away. If something comes up, then call me, come back in. We’ll fix whatever your issue is. And off you go until next time.

Kyle Hulbert (12:34)

Yeah, I like that. I like that approach to it because I find that a lot of practitioners who do stuff like that really are very concerned with the reoccurring revenue and less about, hey, the patient is healed, they need this, or no, we’re going to do maintenance just to prevent it and make sure it doesn’t come back. Whereas I think if you treat it and you fix it or get it vastly improved,

Then that person will know when symptoms or issues pop back up and they can come back in as opposed to sticking to a schedule that, that the practitioner thinks is best based on cashflow. And I know that’s a cynical view, but that’s just kind of how it comes off sometimes. I’m not saying the practitioners are like that.

Ben Kosubevsky (13:15)

you know, everyone has their different ways that they practice and some patients, you know, they’re open. They’d rather stay ahead of the issue and they’d rather come in every week and make sure they don’t have issues. And that’s okay too. It kind of, you know, just depends on personal preference and all that stuff.

Kyle Hulbert (13:29)

That’s actually how I approach it. Like I said, my chiropractor, I mean, I go in, I go in every week. and I might not need it some days, but he’ll adjust me and I feel, you know, that 5 % better and I hit the gym and it’s almost preventative for me at this point.

Ben Kosubevsky (13:42)

So I want to touch on a, it’s kind of a tangent, but you know, I really wanted to touch on this. It’s called craniosacral therapy for vision. And you know, basically, so side story is I see my optometrist every six months to a year and my prescription keeps going down, which is, you know, that doesn’t normally happen. Normally prescription gets worse over time. Mine keeps getting better and he always looks at me and he’s always confused a little bit.

It just kind of rolls with it at this point because I’ve been to them like five times. So, craniosacral therapy or osteopathic manipulation for vision. So, those of you that wear glasses, you know that, when you go to the eye doctor, they put you, they give you their little fancy lenses, they put you in front of the eye chart and they say, what’s better, one or two?

one or two, and they keep flipping through lenses until eventually you say, you know, they look the same and that’s pretty much when your prescription is set. And what they’re doing is they’re just slowly increasing your prescription until they find a lens that works for you. And unfortunately, there’s two problems to that. One is if I gave you a pair of binoculars, you’d see even better, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good for you. And then two, if they bring you the 2020 vision with glasses, your eye is a muscle.

And what happens to a muscle that doesn’t have to work? Atrophies. Yeah. So if you’re brought to 20 20 vision with glasses, your eyes, they don’t care anymore. They just stop working. So we need to rewind a little bit and talk about how glasses are supposed to work. So for people like Kyle that don’t wear glasses, their eyes perfectly round. So light comes in, it hits the back of the eye where the optic nerve sits, it hits it perfectly.

Kyle Hulbert (15:02)

Good for teens.

Ben Kosubevsky (15:27)

and you know, it goes on the nerve and goes into your brain to process into vision. For people that wear glasses, the eye is not perfectly round. And so what happens is when light hits the point, instead of hitting the back of the eye where it needs to concentrate, it kind of misses. And so you’re getting enough scattering that you can see something, but it’s not clear. The image is basically very pixelated.

So what glasses do is that they focus the light into a more concrete beam to hit perfectly in the back of the eye. The problem is when you go to the optometrist and they do that A or B thing, they’re not necessarily looking for what specifically focuses the light. They’re more so looking for what can your body, it’s kind of a mix between where the light hits and what your body can adjust to. Cause the muscles around your eyes can force the eye to reshape enough to move to meet the light. Does that all make sense so far?

Kyle Hulbert (16:20)

Yep, I’m tracking.

Ben Kosubevsky (16:21)

So if you go back to that Z compensation pattern, so when those muscles in your eye, when they have to go into spasm to move your eye, they end up pulling on your skull and that pulls on other muscles and it just creates bad compensation all the way down. You know, if you find a really good practitioner of manipulative therapy and you have them take a look at you with glasses on and glasses off, and if you don’t have properly fit glasses, they’ll actually be able to notice.

posture changes, anatomic changes in you. Most things, they’re pretty subtle. Yeah, the average lay person would never know this, but people with a good trained eye will be able to pick it up.

Kyle Hulbert (16:53)

Wow, that’s crazy.

Wow, okay, so if generally, you know, glasses are prescribed maybe a little too strong or a little too well, what’s the approach? I mean, how do you change that?

Ben Kosubevsky (17:02)

So.

So this is where I prescribe glasses to my patients myself. And we do it through craniosacral therapy. And I learned this from that same doctor out in Arizona. And there’s a few different doctors that teach this and I’m sure more of that can actually do it. He’s the only one, I’m sorry.

Kyle Hulbert (17:28)

Can we link to the doctor in the show notes? Are we allowed to talk about who he is and shout him out?

Ben Kosubevsky (17:36)

Yeah, sure. His name is Dr. Steve Davidson in Phoenix, Arizona. We’ll put his website down there if you want.

Kyle Hulbert (17:42)

Yeah, and we’ll find any social media he might have and put it in the show notes if he’s got that too.

Ben Kosubevsky (17:47)

It doesn’t have any.

Kyle Hulbert (17:49)

Well, website it is.

Ben Kosubevsky (17:51)

So if you’re near him, go see him. If you’re near me, come see me. We can both do it. But basically, I actually, so we have to go back to a second concept now. So modern medicine believes that the bones of the skull are fused. And that’s wrong. The bones of the skull are actually hinge joints with a couple millimeters of motion. They can move very, very slightly.

And the reason that, so there’s a study done many, many years ago, like hundreds of years ago, where they took cadavers and they looked at the skulls and they found that some of them, the bones were fused, some of them they weren’t fused. So they assumed that the ones that weren’t fused, there was something wrong. And so they discarded those from the study and only studied the fused ones. And that’s where the idea that the bones of the skull are fused came from.

And if I can find that study again, I haven’t seen it in years, but if I can find that study again, we’ll also link it in the show notes. So that’s where the idea comes from. So now we have to realize that that study was flawed, the bones of the skull are hinged. And so you can actually, people that are good at craniosacral therapy, they can actually feel the motion that hinge joints and they can feel degrees of movement. And so when you take glasses,

and you put them on and the eye adjusts, you’re gonna get a little bit of motion. So when I prescribe glasses, you know, I have the whole eye, just like the eye doctor, I have all the lenses. And so we start with your prescription and we feel how your skull moves and then we change out your lenses until we find one where your skull doesn’t need to move, where your eye muscles aren’t straining to meet that lens.

Oftentimes you end up at 20 30 vision, which is fine. You can easily live with 20 30 vision. That’s where you want to be. So your eye muscles have to work a little bit. And so the way that goes, you know, before I met him, my glasses were at negative 5 .5 and negative 4 .75. Now, and I had negative 1 .5 astigmatism in both eyes. I’m now down to 3 .75 and 3 .25, a quarter of astigmatism and no astigmatism.

Kyle Hulbert (20:07)

Wow.

Ben Kosubevsky (20:07)

And over time, as you stay on top of those treatments, you can get your vision to keep improving. So my long -term goal is no more glasses.

Kyle Hulbert (20:14)

That’s impressive. You heard it here folks, you know, 200 podcasts from now. We expect Dr. K to have no glasses.

Ben Kosubevsky (20:22)

I mean, that’s my goal. I can now, it’s not a good idea for me, but I can drive now without glasses. Whereas three years ago, zero chance.

Kyle Hulbert (20:31)

That’s impressive. I mean, that’s a lot of improvement. Along with this kind of treatment, I just want to hop in. There are a lot of eye exercises you can do to strengthen your eyes. There’s one with like beads on a rope that you tie onto a door handle. You train your eyes that way. There’s like, I think it’s called like cupping or something like that where you cover your eye and you blink. And there’s a really good book about all these exercises that can actually help that process along with improving your vision.

If I can find it, I’ll put it in the show notes for you guys. You can link to it there. That’s the biohacker side of kind of helping out these treatments.

Ben Kosubevsky (21:06)

Yeah, no, absolutely. And you know, what people are through is I’m treating my eyes myself all the time. And so if that’s a goal that you also want to accomplish, you would be seeing me rather often.

Kyle Hulbert (21:16)

Yeah, that makes sense. So did we cover the vision pretty well?

Ben Kosubevsky (21:19)

We covered the vision, I’m glad that we got that one out of the way. That’s one of my favorite like side tangent jobs to do is to prescribe people glasses. I don’t do it often, but you know, I find that a lot of fun.

Kyle Hulbert (21:30)

Yeah. I mean, I’d like to tell my story about this. I have good vision. Like my vision is crystal clear. Never had an issue with it. but I went to see this guy in Florida and he’s retired. he’s one of these older chiropractors that is just a wizard. I mean, he’s doing things that chiropractors have lost like techniques that are not taught in schools anymore. And he’s just crazy and very intuitive and can feel things.

and he was like, you know, your sutures in your head are a little bit off. So let me do some craniosacral on you. And then I’m going to go in your mouth and do like puts a glove on, does a little adjustment in my mouth. And he’s like, when I do this adjustment, your vision is going to improve. I was like, my vision is fine. Like I can see well. and he went and did it. And I’m not even joking you. I opened my eyes and I could see every speck of dust on the chandelier. And it was like, I was blown away.

Cause I could see, I see very well already, but it was like, Holy smokes. I was like, lasered in. It was very impressive. It was a noticeable difference.

Ben Kosubevsky (22:27)

Very cool. Yeah, maybe actually.

Kyle Hulbert (22:29)

Yeah. So that’s, that’s my, that’s my vision story on that. if you’re ever in Lakeland, we should go see the guy. He’s pretty cool.

so we talked about manipulative therapies hands on. We talked a little bit about chiropractic, a little bit about Reiki, a little bit of craniosacral, craniosacral for vision. do you mind talking about hands off a little more? Cause I don’t think we went into that in much detail at all.

Ben Kosubevsky (22:55)

hands off is, it’s unfortunate, it’s the most difficult thing for people to conceptualize because their ideas, how can you treat me without touching me? And so that’s one of the tenets of Reiki is that you can manipulate energy from a distance because it’s really asking and you know, through that, and I’m honestly not the best person to explain this, the…

The would eventually be to get a Reiki person on the podcast with us. My wife is in the process of learning Reiki. Maybe when she’s done, she might be willing to come on. Unfortunately, I don’t want to talk too much about it because I can’t explain it well enough. I know it exists, but I don’t know how.

Kyle Hulbert (23:36)

That’s fair. So, and you also mentioned a couple of times, emotional healing, emotional releases. Is this something you see with your like osteopathic manipulation or your craniosacral? People have like emotional reactions to this.

Ben Kosubevsky (23:48)

Yeah, so through my journey, I’ve trained with a lot of different people, some doctors, some not doctors. And actually, let me touch on that first. So craniosacral therapy, you don’t have to be a physician to learn. This all started, it really mostly came about a Dr. John Upleger at Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. He started the Upleger Institute where he said, I will not only teach DOs,

how to do these therapies, I will teach anyone that is willing to learn. Massage therapists, nurses, you name it. Anyone with a license to touch people was allowed to come to his classes. And so from there, that’s where it really bloomed into. I know tons of craniosacral therapists who aren’t physicians, they’re not chiropractors. My dad, for one, is one, for example. He learned craniosacral therapy, and that’s what he does up in New Jersey. And he’s quite good at it.

And he started teaching me, you know, on friends and family when I was like 12. And that’s how I got so good was I started a decade before I went to medical school and then continued it on through. So I just want people to understand that you don’t necessarily have to see a doctor for this. There are many good practitioners that don’t have that doctor title.

Kyle Hulbert (25:01)

Yeah, is there any way or advice you can give to the audience on how to find a good practitioner?

Ben Kosubevsky (25:07)

Honestly, word of mouth is probably your best bet. If you know someone that has had really good success with someone, they’re probably pretty decent. Whereas, you know, if everyone’s like, wow, they suck, I probably wouldn’t try them. But I think the same thing applies for most things. Word of mouth is usually the best.

Kyle Hulbert (25:24)

Yeah.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Okay.

Ben Kosubevsky (25:30)

So back to your emotional question. So I see it, I treat it. craniosacral therapy ties in this thing called neuro therapy as well, a couple other different healing aspects. The idea is that emotional trauma can create physical impressions. And so everyone packs their emotions into different parts of their body, basically into their weak point. You know, when you were a kid, you broke your shoulder.

And then that could be your weak point the rest of your life because the body tends to unfortunately dump on the weak parts. That’s just how bodies work. It’s like, well, the shoulder’s weak, let’s keep dumping all of our trauma onto there. And so a lot of emotions get, end up getting tied into it. And so as you release the physical restriction, emotions can actually come up. And last few, a lot of times you don’t have to tell me, but let me know if emotions start coming up for you, because then that becomes another thread we have to follow in the process of treatment.

Kyle Hulbert (26:26)

Interesting, very interesting. And I can see how this would be hard for people to comprehend because it doesn’t make a lot of sense like logically on its face. But you got to remember that the body is not just a sack of meat. It is energy. It is life. It is life force. And energy is a huge key on how our body functions and especially quantum energy. And there’s things that we can’t see that can pile up and affect us and our body in ways

that we don’t even realize. So for the energy aspect of things, I actually have heard of practitioners like Reiki practitioners who can like almost see the energy. People are very, very few and far in between, but they can actually see what they’re working with. They can see the hotspots and they’re able to kind of push and move that out. Have you heard of that?

Ben Kosubevsky (27:14)

Yep, and I’m one of those people is that a lot of my treatments are very vision -based and I can see the issue more so than feel the issue. So I completely agree with that.

Kyle Hulbert (27:25)

Very nice. Very nice. Anything else that we should cover on, manipulative therapies? Ooh, mouthful.

Ben Kosubevsky (27:33)

No, I think that was a pretty good overview. I think, you know, further episodes, we’ll definitely get some guests in to discuss some of this stuff. You know, people that are experts in their particular niche field and kind of go from there.

Kyle Hulbert (27:47)

Yeah, that sounds good. Well, excellent. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us on the Peak Performance Podcast. My name is Coach Kyle and you can find me @ Toxin Free Kyle on Instagram.

Ben Kosubevsky (27:58)

And I am Dr. K or the osteodoc on Instagram. Thank you everybody for joining us as we discuss the manipulative therapies and we’ll see you next time.

Kyle Hulbert (28:08)

See you.